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    • #51750
      Stuart
      Participant

      So finally after years of drunken gambling and countless close calls, I have lucked out and lost pretty much my entire savings in one hour – £35k.

      Some context first. I am the first to admit that I have an addictive personality, whether it be gambling or alcohol. Once I start I find it so difficult to stop. All inhibitions or restraint goes
      out the window, I really become a different person. I first started gambling towards the final year of university and over the course of the following year lost about £5k. This
      consumed my thoughts constantly, all I could think about was getting back that money. The actual gambling I actually hated, no real rush or excitement, just a feeling of dread and
      regret and I was always relieved when it was over, win or lose. Slowly over time the feeling of recuperating my losses faded and I thought I had everything sorted.

      At one point I would say I had lost approximately £15k at the worst but some how managed to claw it back to around the £6k mark. That I could live with. However, a few days ago, after a
      few drinks I decided I would play a little. I lost £1k, deposited another £3k, lost that. That’s me at £10k in my head but I’ve been as low as £15k down so I can cope with that. So I deposit £5k
      but it doesn’t work, so I try again, and again, and again. Turns out that it worked every time and I’m sitting there with £20k in my online account. And I blow it in minutes. After that another
      £10k goes in to try win it all back but I lose that.

      I’m not going to say that I don’t have a gambling problem as it’s evidently clear that I do, it’s just that having read other stories and talked to friends that have sought help for their problems,
      mine are also alcohol related just as much if not more so. If I haven’t been drinking I have absolutely no inclination or desire to gamble. I can go weeks or months without giving it the slightest
      thought. It’s just when I’ve had a few then my filters just go to zero and frankly I don’t give a care in the world about the consequences.

      So that is where I am at the moment. Thankfully I have a pretty good job and I am lucky that I have paid my mortgage with no real outgoings. I don’t have kids or a relationships so nobody bar me
      me will really suffer from this. Will I tell my parents that I don’t know yet? What’s done is done, will subjecting them to this really do anything but make them suffer the same anguish I am currently
      experiencing. I have know for sometime now that I have a problem with alcohol so tonight I went to my first AA meeting. Pretty daunting and although I’m not entirely sure its for me I’m glad I
      went. Tomorrow I will go to a GA meeting and see how that goes. Just got to try take it one day at a time. An older gentleman said to me at my AA meeting that I’ve got to learn to forgive myself,
      I am nowhere near that but hopefully one day I will and I can move on.

      Thanks for reading.

    • #51751
      dunc
      Participant

      Hello and thanks for starting a thread in the Gambling Therapy forums

      Here at Gambling Therapy we pride ourselves on being a caring and diverse online community who can help and support you with the difficulties you’re currently facing. We understand that this might be a tough time for you, particularly if you’re new to recovery, so come here as often as you need to and participate in the forums, access online groups and connect to the live advice helpline if you need one to one support. We’re in this together!

      Here on the forum you can share your experiences in a safe, supportive and accepting environment. The beauty of writing it all down is that you can take your time and you will be creating a record of your progress that you can look back on if it ever feels like you’re not moving forward. So, share as much or as little as you like but do try to stick to keeping just one thread in this forum so people know where to find you if they want to be updated on your progress or share something with you.

      As well as the forums New Members are invited to join Charles in the New Members Practical Advice Group On Mondays at 21:00 (UK) and Thursday at 19:00(UK)

      And on that note….

      I’m going to hand you over to our community because I’m sure they will have some words of wisdom for you 🙂

      Take care

      The Gambling Therapy Team

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    • #51752
      portnoy58
      Participant

      Hi Stuart

      Firstly it’s never about the amount of money. Your life savings objectively might amount to a considerable amount of money but the gambler who lives in a homeless hostel and does his benefit check in an hour is in exactly the same position as you. Skint, angry, bewilderd, and eager to recoup their losses.

      I wonder from reading your account if in fact you have done enough damage to be feeling enough pain to really turn this round. Most of us tend to be well past the last chance saloon before we are ready to accept the reality of being defeated and being losers.

      I share the dual addiction too except mine operated the opposite way. I never drank when I gambled but did so afterwards normally to console myself but occasionally because I won some money, the crueleest part of gambling if like me you are a compulsive gambler. The reason for not drinking and gambling is in retrospect hilarious – I thought alcohol would affect my judgement when I was in action!!!!! This really serves to underline for me that I suffered from some sort of mental illness!

      On considering your predicament surely the solution is therefore to quit drinking because you only gamble if you are boozed up. The booze may well be your primary addiction and it may be best to address this as the priority if you are confident that this is how it works for you. This would be my suggestion right now.

      I have come across a fair few sober drunks who found a very destructive outlet in gambling mainly on the basis that they consider it to be non-chemical and therefore ‘harmless’. These guys were hammering themselves in the bookies. A wise man put it to me that I was doubly blessed by virtue of my dual addiction. The point for me is I would never have quit drinking if I hadn’t quit gambling, my primary addiction, and in the event that I did quit drinking I would never have been able to stop gambling as I would have clung to the idea that having given up drink I was entitled to a bit of fun!

      I want to assure you that you can get out from under both these addictions and that you have amade a good start by coming on here and getting to meetings. keep coming back! Good luck

    • #51753
      Stuart
      Participant

      Hello portnoy58 and thank you for your comments and advice.

      I would just like to go over one or two of the points that you have made. Firstly, regarding whether or not I have done enough damage to be in enough pain to really turn this around? I think that there is some truth in this. Like I have said I am fortunate to have a pretty good job and income and although I am currently pretty much broke, in a few weeks time I will be receiving a bonus not far off 5 figures. If I was to receive that today would I be suffering the same mental agnst that I am currently feeling? If I am honest the answer is probably no and that is terrifying in all honsety! How can I be so indifferent about such a sum of money?? It’s my financial independence (or lack of ) scares me. I just hope that I can be one of the fortunate ones that realises and can get appropriate help before the last chance saloon arrives. I certainly intend to.

      That takes me to your second point and again you are spot on, quitting drinking has got to be my priority. It is alcohol that is the gateway to all my problems. There is no two ways about it. Stopping drinking has been on my mind for a while now and this has only brought it to a head. I am under no illusions that this will be easy but for the sake of my mental health I know that I have to give it my all.

      Again, thank you for taking the time to comment on my story and I hope that you are winning the battle against your addictions.

      Stuart

    • #51754
      Meghna83
      Participant

      Hi Stuart,

      I really think that you have lost a lot to actually now draw a line under it all and say “no more”

      Perhaps involve someone close to you, a friend or family member. Transfer your bonus to their account for now or invest in a long term project which doesn’t allow you to withdraw money short term.

      Believe in yourself, you really don’t have to take more blows before you get to the point where you just have to stop. Make that stop point now. I really have faith that if you take each day at a time, seriously refraining from gambling, you can kick the habit.

      I lost about £30,000 41 days ago ( between May and June) that was my last straw. My wake up call

      No more

    • #51755
      Stuart
      Participant

      Hello Meghna83 and thank you for taking the time to comment.

      Yes I believe you are correct when you say that a line needs to be drawn and i say “no more” To be honest, the ‘fight’ in me has gone to try even think about trying to recoup any loses. I guess that can only be a good thing.

      Today I had a productive talk with my Mum about it all. She was understanding and not judging (addiction being such a part of so many of my family) and we made a plan for going forward. She was keen to take my bonus for safe keeping until I can get my alcohol problems sorted and although I can see the benefits of that, I do still want to keep some autonomy. So whether I will give her my username/passwords or she can ask for a screenshot of my account twice a week, we are still to decide but I will have some accountability which I really haven’t had before.

      All my savings that I lost was being put aside for me to attend University for 6 months to help further my career so my bonus is even more important now than ever. I’m currently feeling good that it will now be soley used for something productive and not just to be drunk, gambled and squandered.

      Sorry to hear about your recent losses but well done on going 41 days. I hope that you are finding each day at little easier and a day comes soon where you don’t think about gambling at all.

      Stuart 

    • #51756
      Stuart
      Participant

      Nearly 10 months has passed since I first wrote on here. On the whole things have been pretty good. I attended a few AA and GA meetings and although I didn’t find them my cup of tea I have reduced my alcohol consumption and haven’t gambled (or even really thought about it) since that disastrous night in July.

      However, old demons have came back to haunt me. My job takes me round the world for months at a time and recently I have been stuck in a hotel under quarantine. With not a lot to do I found myself having a few drinks and playing poker with friends for the first time in months. Once that ended the appetite had been whet and I found myself drawn to the online casino. After depositing $2000 I miraculously find myself waking up to $16,000! However new customer restrictions prevent me from cashing out and for days and days I’m sitting there contining to play and praying that I will be able to cash out. Cut a long story short. Tonight I blew it in 4 spins of a roulette wheel. I’m absolutely pig sick at the moment. How could I be so god damn stupid!! I guess we all know, once you get in that zone all rational thought and sensible decision making goes out the window. I’m so angry at myself for allowing myself to be continually drawn back to the website when I know that they were holding off in paying out, hoping this would happen. $16,000 wouldn’t make up for my f@@@ up last year but it would have been some consolation. Maybe in my mind I knew it was all or nothing?? I don’t know? Anyway I’m now in an work place environment that I can’t drink and I can safely say that have no intention of chasing it. I thought last year was a one off but unfortunately no, guess it’s something that I will have to keep working at.

      Thanks for reading.

    • #51757
      Meghna83
      Participant

      Hi Stuart 

      feeling your pain with this loss and relapse and  it’s all the more painful when it happens after a long stretch of GF time. 

      With regards to the withdrawal restriction, was it just a case of you waiting for the cash out period or was it that you had to gamble more to be able to withdraw the 16k?

      These sites have a way of hooking us in a keeping us there, until we have spent our last penny in deposit money (as you probably know well.)

      Please let go of your losses. That 2k could have been £20k or even £200k.  just imagine based on past experiences what that would have felt like.

      I, like you, have lost a huge amount of money to online G sites and only lost again and again chasing. I have zero inhibitions when it comes to gambling and I always bet big, which means huge losses in a small amount of time.

      Turn away from the things that are triggering your loss like alcohol and lose access to money. the addiction will always remain and I guess you have to protect yourself from it now and even 10 years down the line. 

    • #51758
      Stuart
      Participant

      Hi Meghna, thank you for your reply.

      It was a case of them verifying my documentation ie passport, bank details etc. Seems like the bigger you win the longer this takes!

      Yes it’s a bit of a sore one to take and I’m trying to rationalise  it a little. The 2k (albeit extremely annoying to lose) could have been 20k or more and like you say, past experiences have taught me what that feels like. The 16k, was it ever really mine? It’s just a number on the screen and until it’s in my bank account could I ever really lay claim to it? Maybe that’s just an easy way of making myself feel better at the moment.

      The thing that is really getting to me at the moment is my lack of self discipline and control. For once I have got one up on these gambling website and although telling myself ‘stay away, you know what will happen’ I continued to return for a few more spins/hands. They delayed in verifying my account because they were hoping this would happen, I knew that they were hoping this would happen and yet I’ve allowed it to happen!! I really am feeling quite disgusted with myself at the moment but what’s done is done. I will try not to dwell on it too much.

      I’ve been quite proud of myself for being GF for nearly a year. And it wasn’t some desire to gamble that lead me back there, it was just a sociable game of poker with friends to pass the time and stay in touch with each other during these troubling times. But what I know for certain now is that I can’t just have a game or two and call it a day. I know that I can’t allow myself to get into these situations because the inevitable will always happen with me. I can see that now and so long as I don’t start and stay away from these sites I’m sure I will do ok.

      Thanks again,

      Stuart

    • #51759
      i-did-it
      Participant

      Stuart
      To be honest many of us have found that casinos will drag their heels when it comes to paying out large amounts.
      Sometimes we play and are unsure we will ever see any winnings.
      Even those casinos which pay often have cancel withdrawal facility.
      Their job is to take our money by any means.
      You are right to stay away – they mess with our brain when we win and when we lose.
      You deserve better!

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