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Thanks Cathy, I thought you weren’t UK based by your term ‘mom’ Sound like we are in a similar position. And the ages are the same including the timeline of it starting at 18 to 19. I’m going to access velvety group on Tuesday. And think about a gam anon group. We have drawn, yet another line under this latest episode, and if he abuses us again or doesn’t stick to the rules, we will be asking him to leave. I have already got a list of bed sit accomm and given it to him because we have two other children, like you and we have our life, we are approaching retirement and it’s our time, so I do feel that I will really stick to our promise to him, that he must move out if he abuses us or does not stick to the rules, and I can’t be responsible for all his suicide threats. Thanks again,